Was Devin Setogucci of the SJ Sharks sent back down to minors?
Setoguchi has scored goals in 8 of 43 games..........that's a rather low goal scoring percentage. His shooting percentage is 10.9%, just slightly above the league average.
I think Wilson's problem with the kid is that kid is just not ready for the NHL....simple as that. 7 goals in his first 9 games, and 4 in his next 34................not a way to impress the people you want to play you.
He has great touch around the net, and he'll grow into his role, but he'll have to work at it. He's a very predictable player and the league has caught on.............good players can redefine themselves. I think Devin has the tools to do that, and become a 40 goal scorer in the NHL for years to come.
Keenan actually did make the list...he was fifth-@ 9% (see link below)...1 % behind (or ahead of-depending on perspective)Brent Sutter.
In Wilson's case (like the others listed) it's probably a combination of being around a little toooooo long (getting more people pissed off at you as time passes) and the way he's called out players in the media etc.Let alone the stuff we don't hear about but no doubt anecdotes get passed from one player to another (especially ) as people change organizations.Looking at Tortorella or Wilson neither one is particularly tactful.Then again popularity and success don't go hand-in-hand (look at the Caps from mid-November until late December)
To me the whole thing is more media-fodder than anything-and I say this as a (long-time) "Wilson disliker".
Old Iron Mike really leaves an impression though...LOL...
Ron Wilson is a great coach, but he's getting stuck with a horrible position. Coaching in Toronto is a death sentence. It's like going to play for the Oakland Raiders. Players only go there to kill their careers.
What sort of damage control should the San Jose Sharks do heading into next season?
The answer isn't in replacing their staff. Wilson has done a good job behind the bench. They need on-ice leadership. The elite teams have it. Sakic, Lidstrom, Modano etc. The Sharks brought in Thornton to fill this role, and he does it great during the season but fails in the playoffs. The answer is: Trade Joe Thornton and look for a defensive or center leadership.
Can anybody seriously claim that Ron Paul is not conservative on foreign policy?
They have no idea what classic conservatism is. They only are familiar with the neo-con perspective, which ironically comes from the left. Having an intrusive, nation building foreign policy is anything BUT conservative.
Is Joe Wilson more important than every single representative and senator in this nation's history?
He disrespected a political venue, is what he did. What he did was open big doors for ANYONE from now on to yell at ANY President from now on, ANYWHERE. The fact that liberals did it to Bush is NO excuse for it to be done to Obama.
I'm Independent, and I'm SICK of whiny liberals and crybaby conservatives.
He's a hooligan, a thug, a disgrace to the US of A.
Why do many Republicans attack Ron Paul for his foreign policy?
Do ideas become extinct? The foreign policy of our Founding Fathers was right and our involvement in all these unnecessary wars that aren't even in our own defense is the consequence of not following it.
Ron Paul has one excellent idea, following the Constitution. And that is the greatest idea reality has ever had.
I'm thinking either Atlanta or Toronto. Frankly, Toronto needs a coach like him... a winner. However, he has come up short with strong Sharks teams... so the Leafs stand no chance in the playoffs.
Wilson has also coached teams that are a little bit younger, and Atlanta would also be a good fit for him. Despite their results, they are nearing the top of their game. As long as the GM and coach r different, they will do well.
Honestly, who knows if he'll even continue? He has said in the past that he wants to, eventually, spend time with his grandkids and play golf, his other pasttime.
He was great Sharks coach, despite his shortcomings in the playoffs. Where ever he goes, he'll probably do well.
Sharks fans: Is this evidence of Ron Wilson's poor coaching or is it just me?
Wilson has played Nabokov into the ground... and I think that's part of the reason the PK has taken a nose dive. I know nabokov is a first time Vezina finalist, but his SV% has never been lower in his career and has been dropping steadily since January. No team has allowed fewer shots than San Jose, but when you're a man down - the opposition is going to be able to get shots... and your netminder (who is also part of the PK) will be tested.
We just need to do the math here... on the PK San Jose will give up more SOG's, Nabokov has a career low SV% this season (a SV% that's been steadily declining as the season wears on) and currently has the worst SV% of all goalies in the playoffs. That all adds up to a poor penalty kill success rate.
I've said it since last year. Marleau needs a change of scenery and Joe definitely deserves the "C" on his sweater. Patrick is not playing well at all.
Goc, Errorhoff, & Carle need to go. Cheechoo was a one year wonder and I think he needs a change also.
But, Ron Wilson will probably be the one to go. I like this coaching staff and all of us Sharks fans can feel their pain, especially when they are playing at home or on the power play. We need defense and a good back up goalie, or Ron Wilson will be fired.
Could Doug Wilson be fired if the Sharks don't win the Cup in the next 2 or 3 seasons?
Ok here's what I think.
-Sharks don't win a Stanley Cup and then turn into the 06-07 Phoenix Coyotes (Which could happen in 6-10 years)...fired
-At any point the Sharks miss the playoffs and still have no Stanley Cup ring...fired
-Lose in 2nd round next year...fired, maybe 50-50
-Lose in 3rd round the next 2 years...fired
-Lose in Stanley Cup Finals and then don't get passed the 2nd round 2 consecutive years later...fired
What Doug Wilson and Greg Jamison have done as far as trading away draft picks have gotten me hot. I can easily see them struggling in 4-10 years do to trading draft picks and prospects...ie Ty Wishart.
IF the Sharks get passed the 2nd round odds are he will stay. But if next year it turns to be 4 consecutive years of being eliminated in Game 6 of the Western Conference Semifinals will get him the boot. It shows that he can put a good team on the ice, but not an elite team. It also would show that firing Ron Wilson was a big mistake. Losing in the 2nd round would mean that he has not improved his team the past 4 years which they have always fallen below expectations. IMO (Yes I will get thumbs down for this) They should have 1-3 cups the past 4 years in either '04 or '06 for sure and possibly '07 or '08. If you think that I'm completely wrong about what I said about winning those cups then send me an email.
I think the Leafs need to focus on getting a GM first. If I remember correctly Paul Maurice wasn't a coach that JFJ picked and look how that turned out. We need to hire a GM and have him hand pick a coach.
I'm curious as to how you came up with that conclusion. Care to elaborate?
Brian Billick won the Super Bowl, so does that mean Ron Wilson will win the Stanley Cup?
Gore: I definitely respect you for answering my question rather than others who would just go and start calling people names in a childish manner. Point taken.
Being a sharks fan here, i think they should trade him for a better goalie. He hasn't been performing lately. They should put Toskala as the starter and call up Nolan Schaefer from the AHL for the backup goalie.
You could trade him for someone like Curtis Joesph or Tomas Vokoun (pending his recovery from his blood disorder).
*****However, Nabokov was recently signed to a five year contract by the Sharks, so this is all very unlikely to happen.*****
As a fan, i've always had my doubts about him. He's a bit immature behind the bench in that he shows favoritism to his players regardless of how they are playing. He knows who he likes and who he doesn't and that played a huge role in his coaching strategies on the ice. He doesn't do well in motivating his players, he's not as vocal as he should be, and he makes really questionable coaching decisions. The Sharks need a change and it starts behind the bench.
LEAFS FANS: Paul Maurice vs. Ron Wilson. Who do you prefer? Why?
Adam Proteau of the Hockey News had an excellent quote that pertains to this question......."it is like giving a chef a crouton and a hotdog and demanding he make caviar."
Scotty Bowman could be the chef but he still aint makin' caviar out of weiners and dried bread!
Would they do any better with Maurice than Wilson.....maybe, but not enough to make a difference. The reason I say maybe is because I have always looked at Maurice as a better teacher while I have viewed Wilson as a guy who works better with a veteran team and since the Leafs are young, Maurice might IMO be the better option but again, it isn't talented youth so it will still be what it is........you can't get blood out of a stone.
Brian Burke should look in the mirror, he is the one that provides Wilson with the ingredients and he has provided him with.......well.........a bunch of eggos.
I agree with you though........a coaching change isn't warranted. Although, my answer might be different if Ken Hitchcock were an option instead of Maurice, although even then it wouldn't matter. Burke is the change that needs to happen and the new GM would come in with a mess worse than what Burke inherited.
I think you should tell me why you think he should be fired....then ill answer your question
Okay, since you obviously wont tell me......
No. have you taken a little peek at the standings lately. If every coach got sacked every time his team got their @sses kicked, they would run out of people willing to coach
I think he needs to start being a little meaner than he is. Joe says hes the nicest coach hes ever had. I hope he wasnt including his peewee coach. lol
Hes a good coach though....once again, look at the standings
He is an ego maniac and will sometimes call his players out publicly which can backfire. Considering the GM is an ego manic and a former teammate of Wilson, they seem to be a good fit. I don't know if he should be fired, look at what Brian Burke has given him to work with.
Other thoughts....usually special teams (PP and PK) fall more on the assistant coaches....and the players (which again Burke has supplied him with).
I tend to agree with your final paragraph, I think Wilson is a decent coach BUT this team is a poor fit for him, he is better served with a veteran team, not a young team of kids that need to learn. They need an educator, not a king mentor.
Who thinks Ron Wilson and the Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup in 2014?
Their chances will depend on Burke's management on the team. If he can add more fittable supporting cast, defensemans overall, they have a good chance...if Kessel's performance this season is any indication.
Who would you suggest they hire that could get them to win games with this severe lack of talent? Ron Wilson is a good coach and even the very best need guys who actually compete night in and night out plus have skill to go with that. Who on that team is even a solid point contributor (not counting Kessel because surely you wouldnt blame Wilson for his injury). Who on that team plays 100% solid defensive zone hockey regularly? There is a huge difference between turning around Crosby, Malkin, Fluery & co. than there is turning around a franchise that has done an incredibly bad job drafting and an even worse job signing free agents. This mess will take a lot of time to fix.....and who are these "talented" guys you refer to? Not trying to be rude or nasty but be honest....there is a severe lack of talent on that team and it shows with all the lapses you see game in and game out. Patience and better management are the only fixes here...not firing a quality coach who has little to work with....again what coach could turn around this mess (there is a reason why the good coaches already have jobs...Bylsma stepped into an amazing set of circumstances where the guys had tons of talent but hated the coach....they would have played harder for Bugs Bunny than they did for Therrien)?
Yes, I think they will look for some fresh leadership for the Sharks. Wilson has had phenomenal talent but hasn't been able to take the Sharks to another level. Had he taken the team to the Conference Final he may have been safer but the Sharks may look to some of the younger AHL talented coaches out there, especially as the team is getting younger. They may finally give Roy Sommer his NHL head coaching shot or let Dale Hunter take the reigns or Curt Fraser could be given another shot, another name to consider; Craig Hartsburg.
Roenick would be smart to hang them up after such a successful year and transition into a coaching role. He would be hard-pressed to follow-up such a phenomenal year with anything close to this though he may still try to grab that brass ring one more time and could probably squeeze out one more year and the young players would benefit from his guidance. As long as Chris Chelios is playing Roenick may play. He would certainly be welcome with USA Hockey if he decided it was time to hang them up.
Is Ron Wilson the best coach the Leafs have had in a long time?
I find it quite interesting to read these comments. I go back to the days of Joe Primeau as coach of the Leafs.
In the same sentence I've read that Imlach was the best coach and Wilson was the worst coach. Wilson because he criticized his players in the media nad Imlach because he was a winner. Those of us who remember Imlach think that Wilson is a player's coach in comparison.
Best coach ever would be a tie (in my memory) between Pat Burns and Roger Neilson. The lineup of worsts include John Brophy, Mike Murphy and my friend Nick Beverley. (These coaches weren't bad coaches but were caught up in the Toronto whirlpool that sucked them down.)
The Leafs are epitomized not by poor coaching but by poor management.
Should the SHARKS trade Patrick Marleau or Fire Ron Wilson????
You have to fire Wilson.
Many will say Wilson has done a great job, but when it comes down to changes, you have to start behind the bench. Its a must after 4 losing playoff years. You can blame Marleau and trade him, or blame Cheechoo and trade him, but that would be a mistake. You may trade 1 player and get a new guy in return, but for the most part, it will be the same team returning back in October. And what happens with that same team when Wilson comes back again in October. What does he tell his team after ANOTHER season of getting eliminated in the 2nd round? Don't you think he's exhausted all his strategies in trying to motivate and bring out a winner from this team? "We did swell last April/May, lets give it another shot huh?" The players can only continue to play for a guy for that many years before it just becomes another season. Its got to start with Wilson and the change has to be made this summer. You can only keep the talent core together for so long before your Stanley Cup window all but closes.
Pat Burns is who i'm hoping for behind the bench come October!
--EDIT-- I've always liked Marleau. He's a quiet guy, probably better suited being an "A" instead of "C", but a good "C" nonetheless. He took crap during the regular season, but alot had to do with Wilson. When Wilson and him finally saw eye to eye, thats when his numbers went up. Marleau is the heart of SJ and to see him go would be a blow to the team that is beyond talent and name. The Sharks would be wise to keep #12.
Will Brian Burke and Ron Wilson strip Nazem Kadri of his NHL Center Ice?
I have (had) the Leafs game on in the background but I must have missed the Kadri flub........enlighten me.
BQ- JS............make him earn his 7 million............but does it really matter? I suppose, we don't want Boston getting too good. I want the Leafs to have a great season......they are of no concern to me, Boston on the other hand is starting to be stacked.
Was hiring Ron Wilson before a GM a good move or more Leafs stupidity?
The Leafs have a plan. If we mortals can't see it it is because we are mere mortals. Should they have hired a GM first. Probably but if the best man wasn't going to be available for another year should they let Wilson get away or sign a third choice as GM. Fletcher is better than anyone else available. In a year or two Gainey, Lamoriello, and Burke will be available then the Leafs can hire their GM. If the new GM doesn't like Wilson. It's only money and Leafs do have lots of that.
The problem in Toronto isn't that the ownership doesn't know what their doing is that the six thousand journalists in the city think they're smarter. Most of these experts were orange peelers for their high school teams and probably never played a serious game in their life. These brainiacs wanted to see Burke hired so they could prove themselves right. Half the questions Wilson was asked weren't about him or the Leafs but about Brian Burke.
Give it a rest. Wilson was the best coach available and the best GM available hired him. end of discussion.
Do you think the sharks should have fired ron wilson?
Good move, the team has quit responding to him.
This year more then any Ron Wilson tried to be the good cop at times and then the bad cop at others times.
And for this team with expeditions to make a Cup berth or at the least a West Finals appearance and playing the good cop bad cop routine usually will get a you a pink slip because the GM sees its and probably hears it from his player that if this works we are behind him if not we need a new direction and voice
How do you Sharks fans feel about Ron Wilson being fired ?
Eh, a little mixed. On the one hand, I really liked Ron Wilson because he did a lot of good for the Sharks. On the other hand, I think firing him sends a message to the team that Doug Wilson is serious about doing anything and changing anything to go all the way. I think this will make them think that their jobs in San Jose are also on the line if things don't change. So on the whole, I think it was a good move.
Should the Toronto Maple leafs Management Fire Ron Wilson?
Yep, Im a leafs fan and I had enough with Ron, I don't care if he has 590 wins or about how he guided Washington to a Stanley Cup Final, that was the past and this is the present. If Wilson can't coach good, then why keep him? Just fire him and if your lucky hire Mike Keenan, at least he could coach properly.
now that tim hunter and rob zettler have joined ron wilson in toronto who will the sharks get?
Todd Richards, former head coach of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Pens will be one and the other will be Trent Yawney, formerly with the Norfolk Admirals.
This will not hurt the team. They will be fine.
Sharks will finish with 106 points.
How long do you think Ron Wilson will last in Toronto before he's fired?
Ron Wilson will easily handle the Toronto media, I'm not sure the Toronto media will be able to handle him.
He's a dual citizen (He never resigned his Canadian citizenship when becoming an American citizen). He knows the hockey situation in Toronto having been through it (and the media acted the same way towards the Leafs in the 70s when Wilson played for them as they do now. Wilson himself took a lot of flack from the media because he wore Keon's old number).
Wilson is a great coach. He's had 1 losing season in the last 11 years and the three years before that he was coaching an expansion team
- he has more playoff wins than John Tortorella, Marc Crawford and Bob Hartley
- he has been to more Stanley Cup finals than Joel Quenneville
- he has a similar wining percentage to Pat Quinn, Pat Burns, and better than Quenneville, Hartley, and Tortorella
He was one of the highest profile coaches available
He had one of the best resumes available of the pool of candidates that Fletcher was looking for (minimum 150 NHL games coached including at least 10 playoff wins)
He is a buddy of Brian Burke (the real fish the Leafs want to catch).
The only question that remains to be seen is whether or not he will have the players necessary to put a winning team together.